Articles like this are counterproductive to the point they wish to support. It would be better to acknowledge that espionage and similar malign International activities are rampant, always denied by the perpetrators, and always camouflaged as benign. The article should have focused on instructing people, particularly international academics, to understand the responsibilities of government and act respectfully toward those responsibilities.
Thanks for the comment. I am curious about your view on what exact responsibility does what government has in this case? more specifically, what do you look for which government to do what in cases like this?
Perhaps borough from the CCP with public "self-criticism". In lieu of deportation, 100 hours of presentations at universities of confession including "Even though that was not my intent, I did exactly what an enemy agent would do", 'I am glad I was caught", "I thank the US Government for the mercy of allowing me to do the public service", "Americans should be grateful for the vigilance that caught me", ...
I find the article fair and balanced. The lesson to take away is not to violate any nation's bio-security rules. I know that people do that all the time, and often they are caught, and have to pay a substantial fine. This is the case in our country, and I cannot emphasize enough that no one should even think of violating New Zealand's bio-security rules. The US Jian/Liu case did not end with a fine but became a political hot potato because the US administration is intent on ratcheting up tensions with China. The lesson, as the article makes clear, is not to break the rules even if one thinks that one knows better. Even if one does know better, stick to the rules. (An exception would be a moral imperative to break the rules, but no such moral imperative applied in this case). Jian and Liu made a mistake. The author of this article, however, has got it right.
"because the US administration is intent on ratcheting up tensions with China." Unlike you, the rest of us are not privy to those high level discussions in "the US Administration."
Except that no one can even point to a confirmed example of espionage conducted by the Chinese government. Meanwhile there are like 1,000 examples of the US doing so.
With respect sir, I find it hard to take this comment seriously, but I will try. I'm sure you are aware of Klaus Fuchs, Kim Philby etc. and the panoply of other Soviet spies who were unknown until they were exposed, but you believe China doesn't do things like that. You believe the United States spies, but China doesn't do things like that. I guess you feel that if it is not on the font page of the New York Times, it didn't happen.
Bruh the NYT freaked out about a Chinese weather balloon, stupidly calling it a spy balloon. If there was any actual Chinese spying it'd be on every front page.
According to the U.S. investigation, Liu initially claimed ignorance about the samples but later said he was planning to use the material for research at a University of Michigan lab where Jian worked and where Liu previously worked.
An article on Liu’s phone was titled, “Plant-Pathogen Warfare under Changing Climate Conditions.”
A week before arriving in the U.S., according to investigators, Liu exchanged messages with Jian, who said, “It’s a pity that I still have to work for you.” Liu replied: “Once this is done, everything else will be easy.”
And maybe when China removes exit ban on the Wells Fargo executive and lets her return to the U.S., we can talk more.
Meanwhile at the 11 bio-weapons labs run by the US DOD in Ukraine....
Articles like this are counterproductive to the point they wish to support. It would be better to acknowledge that espionage and similar malign International activities are rampant, always denied by the perpetrators, and always camouflaged as benign. The article should have focused on instructing people, particularly international academics, to understand the responsibilities of government and act respectfully toward those responsibilities.
Thanks for the comment. I am curious about your view on what exact responsibility does what government has in this case? more specifically, what do you look for which government to do what in cases like this?
Perhaps borough from the CCP with public "self-criticism". In lieu of deportation, 100 hours of presentations at universities of confession including "Even though that was not my intent, I did exactly what an enemy agent would do", 'I am glad I was caught", "I thank the US Government for the mercy of allowing me to do the public service", "Americans should be grateful for the vigilance that caught me", ...
I find the article fair and balanced. The lesson to take away is not to violate any nation's bio-security rules. I know that people do that all the time, and often they are caught, and have to pay a substantial fine. This is the case in our country, and I cannot emphasize enough that no one should even think of violating New Zealand's bio-security rules. The US Jian/Liu case did not end with a fine but became a political hot potato because the US administration is intent on ratcheting up tensions with China. The lesson, as the article makes clear, is not to break the rules even if one thinks that one knows better. Even if one does know better, stick to the rules. (An exception would be a moral imperative to break the rules, but no such moral imperative applied in this case). Jian and Liu made a mistake. The author of this article, however, has got it right.
"because the US administration is intent on ratcheting up tensions with China." Unlike you, the rest of us are not privy to those high level discussions in "the US Administration."
Except that no one can even point to a confirmed example of espionage conducted by the Chinese government. Meanwhile there are like 1,000 examples of the US doing so.
With respect sir, I find it hard to take this comment seriously, but I will try. I'm sure you are aware of Klaus Fuchs, Kim Philby etc. and the panoply of other Soviet spies who were unknown until they were exposed, but you believe China doesn't do things like that. You believe the United States spies, but China doesn't do things like that. I guess you feel that if it is not on the font page of the New York Times, it didn't happen.
Bruh the NYT freaked out about a Chinese weather balloon, stupidly calling it a spy balloon. If there was any actual Chinese spying it'd be on every front page.
The size, equipment, and directed portions of the route made it clear that thing was equipped and used to observe more than the weather.
According to the U.S. investigation, Liu initially claimed ignorance about the samples but later said he was planning to use the material for research at a University of Michigan lab where Jian worked and where Liu previously worked.
An article on Liu’s phone was titled, “Plant-Pathogen Warfare under Changing Climate Conditions.”
A week before arriving in the U.S., according to investigators, Liu exchanged messages with Jian, who said, “It’s a pity that I still have to work for you.” Liu replied: “Once this is done, everything else will be easy.”
And maybe when China removes exit ban on the Wells Fargo executive and lets her return to the U.S., we can talk more.
Continued absurdities in manufacturing conflict. I expect it to expand.