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I have a lot of reactions.

1. HSR can be a lot more profitable (on an operating basis) than you think. Even the Hokuriku Shinkansen, which doesn't go to any city with more than a million people (except Tokyo), has a very good operating ratio.

https://toyokeizai.net/articles/-/193269

2. I strongly agree that Chinese HSR needs better integration with local transit, and less grand stations. Tokyo Station's Shinkansen concourse is over an order of magnitude smaller than Chongqing East, yet serves the same amount of people as Shanghai Hongqiao.

(Tokyo station shinkansen concourse size judging from the map linked, + google maps measuring tool between Yaesu Central and Marunouchi Central exits, Tokyo station's Shinkansen concourse is some tens of thousands of square meters in size: https://www.jreast.co.jp/e/stations/e1039.html)

3. When I went to Huizhou, the HSR stations/lines there seemed to be doing fine. The trains were full and there were a nonzero amount of people at the stations. It seems like China Railways has a lot of room to raise fares, do dynamic pricing, or do price discrimination.

4. HSR New Towns betray a misunderstanding of the reason why cities and suburbs exist. People go to cities because there are jobs. Suburbs exist because people want cheaper/more living space while retaining access to jobs. Most HSR new towns don't meet the first demand, and meet the latter demand no better than normal development.

5. Japanese construction was better in the past, but nowadays, China probably does not have anything to learn from Japan; many new projects are full of tunnels and bridges. Worst of all, the new Hokuriku Shinkansen extension is *projected* to be as expensive as the HS2 in the UK and over 2x as expensive as California HSR.

That said, Japanese high-speed operations are still probably the best in the world, and their integration with local transit is also great.

https://x.com/JRUrbaneNetwork/status/1822209790392549481

https://transitcosts.com/high-speed-rail-preliminary-data-analysis/

6. The government can't create new jobs in the long run, it can only accelerate the recovery from depressions or move jobs between parts of the economy. It gives me some schadenfreude to see that other countries also have economically illiterate policy academics.

7. Japan's current maglev troubles are political, not technical. There's one NIMBY governor that refused to let construction go through his prefecture, delaying the thing by 7+ years

8. I have a hard time taking seriously anybody who talks about negative health effects from radio waves.

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I agree with much of Mr Smith’s arguments. I sense that China builds for the future of the country, also as a hedge against coming economic uncertainty. Nothing wrong with making hay while the sun shines, especially with current surpluses. Do not discount the uplifting in spirit of citizens of China’s interiors, who must see tangible evidence that they are not left behind.

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